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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Mar 1, 2009 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: This Week in History -- 1969

Seems oddly quiet around here about this anniversary. It's old news, of course, but if you haven't returned to these lately, take the 40th anniversary as an excuse to refresh your memory. And if you're new to this run, you'll discover that they very rarely, if ever again, reached the peaks of mystical intensity that they dwelled in for hours during the Feb. 27-March 2, 1969, Fillmore performances.

A comparatively small amount found its way onto Live/Dead, and the run was cherry-picked for a 3-CD set in 2005 that is still available commercially. David Lemieux has also put snippets up in The Taper's Section at dead.net. The entire run filled a 2005 10-CD boxed set that is legendary and unobtainable.

None of this is free here at LMA, so buy the 3-CD set or get it free through your local library. Large portions are also available at other Web sites. 40 years ago this weekend was a defining moment in the band's history, one well-worth parting with some cash to have.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 1, 2009 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Heh Heh my friend and neighbor has the 10 cd boxed set so I get to listen to it regularly. That's the kind of stuff I'd pay for without thinking of finances. Rhino Are you listening!

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Mar 1, 2009 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

i was lucky enough to get it, i think it was a bargain then, and remains a bargain. Four great shows, and a cracking bonus disc. I agree though that it should be reissued, 10,000 seems a ridiculously low number i preordered the moment I got the email, which is unusual for me. Living out here you never know when something goods gonna come along...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 1, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Yea when it came out I was out here in Indonesia pre-high speed internet times, here at least, so I didn't even know about it. Still I think that same formula could be applied to many runs and would satisfy a lot of wants as well as sell a ton of disks. Think about it, I bet they could have {and still can} released a 5 show 10 disk May of 77 boxed set at say $100 a pop and made proportionally the same {In my estimation} as releasing 5 separate disks without the additional marketing costs. Not to say you couldn't release individual shows too but as a businessman it seems that they are not realizing the market value of certain dead periods in the big picture. However I also realize that I don't know all the logistics that are particular to recording releases so this is not a critique per say but only a thought.

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Mar 1, 2009 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Grateful Dead fans are pretty unique in their approach to buying material. Few other bands would have got away with so many live box sets, or live releases, especially given the vast quantity of music available

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Poster: daliguana Date: Mar 1, 2009 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

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Poster: CompSurfahV2 Date: Mar 1, 2009 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969


3-2-1969

Too busy being born to attend...

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Poster: mickmac Date: Mar 1, 2009 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Congrats on the BIG 4-0 !!, kid.

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Mar 1, 2009 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Happy Birthday --

I will be turning this one up nice and loud tonight!

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Poster: CompSurfahV2 Date: Mar 1, 2009 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Ya know... I've already listened to it once today...

I feel very lucky that I was able to have DL'd all four from Archive before the SBD's were pulled. All four Feb/Mar '69 Fillmore shows are on rotation on my MP3 player... 3-2-69 is "permanently installed."

I think I'm gonna do listen again right now..!

~peace~



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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 1, 2009 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Better than busy dying, right?

And yep, the BIG anniversary does seem a little low key, eh?

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Poster: mickmac Date: Mar 1, 2009 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Good morning. There was also an eleventh bonus disc: Bonus disc
All songs recorded live at the Carousel Ballroom/Fillmore West in San Francisco

"Caution (Do Not Stop on Tracks)" (Grateful Dead)
"He Was a Friend of Mine" (Traditional)
"China Cat Sunflower" (Garcia, Hunter)
"New Potato Caboose" (Lesh, Peterson)
"China Cat Sunflower" (Garcia, Hunter)
"I Know You Rider" (Traditional)
"High Time" (Garcia, Hunter)

This collection can still be found.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 1, 2009 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Does anyone have a favorite show from this run? For me, 2/28 is the most perfect.....the only quibble is that the Dark Star isn't as strong as on the other nights.

I think they reached this peak of intensity quite frequently in early '69 - perhaps other shows get neglected because they're not part of a famed "run", but a couple other runs like the Avalon April 4-6, or especially the Boston Ark April 21-23, are pretty great.....then there's individual wonders like 2/22 Dream Bowl, 3/28 Modesto, 4/27 Minneapolis, among others....
April and particularly May is when they start to get looser, and they introduce a bunch of covers into the set, so spring/summer '69 shows tend not to be as concentrated and jam-heavy as the earlier shows.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Mar 1, 2009 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

I lean towards 2/28 also, for the reason stated above. And I'm with you on the Dream Bowl show: outstanding!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 1, 2009 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Have to admit, LiA, I don't have a particular night...I love the MofM-->DS on 2-27, and usually pick 3-1 as my fav when posting lists, but really, I have not gone thru all four nights with an ear toward distinguishing one as better than the others...I often pick 2-11 or 4-5, but can't really say that those are necessarily better than any of these four...

Suppose I think of most everything from Jan thru Apr of 69 as roughly similar, and love some of the obvious greats, like 2-11, 2-27/3-2, 4-5, 4-21/22, etc., but really, if pressed, I don't know that I could say date X is head and shoulders above date Y for that time period...

Not sure if that makes sense...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 1, 2009 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Tell, you mention 4/21 and 4/22/69 in your post. Just curious why not 4/23/69? I love that whole run of shows too, especially 4/22 and 4/23 and find 4/23/69 particularly nice, but then I like "He Was A Friend Of Mine". Is that why you left 4/23 off your list? Just curious... some don't care for the song and it kicks off the 4/23/69 show in weird fashion. This thread has got me listening to the 2/27-3/2/69 run of shows again from the big buh buh box set that Rhino decided to let go to waste by limiting. Limiting perfection? What a strange notion. I wish they would wise up and lift the "limited release" nonsense. I just saw it listed on ebay for almost $1000...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 1, 2009 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

I hear you SD! And, I have NO idea why I don't just say "4/4-4/6" and then "4/21-4/23" but it's probably just the extra typing? I do suppose that because they were the first I owned of the two series that I naturally, automatically, select 4/5 & 4/22 as my two shows that somehow are meant, really, to represent the best of those runs without there being a definitive analysis behind that choice.

I am sooo ignorant of them that really, I cannot provide you a top of the head summary of the song selections and the best of versions, other than knowing in my sleep that the first MotM-->DS I fell in love with was from 4/5...overall, though my choice of those two middle nights is based on a vague generalized knowledge of the two different runs...I have listened enough to the other shows of Apr, 69, to know that as good as many of the university shows are (eg, the mid month run at a bunch of western state campuses), and the others (eg, the Dead Download one from the 16th I think? Or DPs from the 26th or so?) are damn fine, but I still come back to the two three night runs we speak of...

And, I know it ain't gonna happen given the proximity of other commercially released shows (eg, Fillmore Box), but I always thought these two three night runs would be good for commercial release...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 1, 2009 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Thanks for the response Tell, I was just curious if there was a special reason. Geez, even if they don't want to re release the box set, why not make each show available as a separate release then? Makes no sense at all..
I've been in Dead heaven this week what with the new Charlie Miller 2/13 and 2/14/70 transfers and re-listening to this epic Feb/March 1969 40th anniversary run we speak of. Plus I'm having to move this week and as I write this, listening to the Fillmore West 1969 shows, I am in the process of finally parting with all my old XLII cassette collection from years ago of Dead shows. I am only keeping ONE, a miracle tape David Gans sent me back in the 90's of his DAT transfer of 9/19/70. I must have spun countless copies of that cassette for people back in the pre-digital trading era.I transferred it to CD once and it sounds as good if not better than the one on the LMA. I think I will hang on to that one as a reminder of just how fortunate we are to have this wealth of shows available to us, and how much work it used to be to put together a decent collection of shows.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 1, 2009 9:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

That's a damn fine story, and a great tape to cherish! You know it's one of my most listened to shows, even topping most 68 shows (all lately) in the rotation, largely because the wife and kids say it has a DS they can listen to!

I really had a pathetic tape collection relative to most traders. Most of what I had was mid to late 70s, as that was my time period for attending, and I taped many broadcasts, collected shows I'd been to, etc. And most of them were poor...even the broadcasts...they have that "low bass" sterile sound that we often lament of some of the DPs of the era...mixing? Not sure...

I had only a few early era shows, most incomplete, hardly any acoustic shows, and not much of anything from 68-70. Lots of good, well, okay, 3-4 from 71, like Harding and Hollywood, and they were the cream of the crop.

Just rambling, but again, my pathetic tape collection of mayber 150 hrs, and dozen bootlegs, is just stored away for memories' sake...to small to part with, and not worth anything given all shows are available here or elsewhere in better format now (I loved discovering each and every favorite over the first 2 yrs digging around here and talking with folks).

Wheww--didn't mean to run off at the mouth (er, post)?!

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Mar 1, 2009 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

2/28 seems the richest to me, too, though all of them are outstanding. I agree with what you say about the later spring shows, too. And by summer (June-July) they're already sliding toward Americana and WD, at least when rehearsing, and the psychedelia is mellowing a bit.

I think it was about the 6-6-69 show that Phil wrote (p. 145-146), “At one point I look over at Jerry and saw a bridge of light like a rainbow of a thousand colors streaming between us; and flowing back and forth across that bridge: three dimensional musical notes-some swirling like the planet Jupiter rotating at 100 times normal speed, some like fuzzy little tennis balls… that moment may have been the peak of psychedelic music for me".

BTW, there are nice, easily overlooked, recordings of Jerry rehearsing, probably from the summer of 1969 (despite the file name), that show him working on Dire Wolf, Casey Jones, and High Time:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-01-01.studio.smith.91324.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 1, 2009 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Gotta go with 2/28/69 as my favorite of the run, and top 5 all-time for me at least. The show is just about perfect in every way with stand out versions of King Bee, Schoolgirl, and Doin'That Rag The second set Alligator>Caution>Feedback>WBYG is just completely off-the-hook. Beyond the pale!
The 3/1/69 show is also outstanding, as is the whole run. Many prefer 3/1/69 and that is also a great,great show...just a little too short, like 2/27/69, for me to count as best of the run though. The 2/27/69 "Live/Dead" Dark Star, especially with the MOTM before it, is perfect in every way. The quintessential Dark Star. I've heard many great Dark Star's but never a "better" one than that one.
The real "dark horse" show of the run is 3/2/69, another monumental show, and probably the equal of 2/28/69. It is basically the same set list as 2/28, only rearranged. Gotta love a show with Dark Star for the opening song. "Free turf!!" as Jerry proclaims with glee as Bill Graham goes "off in disgust, off in disgust!" from the band's antics and passes on introducing the band.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Mar 1, 2009 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

2/27 is a bit thin compared to the other three, and I don't like the Lovelight, Hey Jude to end 3/1. I'd have to give 3/2 with the monster Crypt > TOO > Crypt > Death Don't suite the edge. One of my favorite 11s as well. Doesn't beat 2/28 by much though.

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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: Mar 1, 2009 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

If I had to pick, I would say that 2/28 is my favorite. If I were allowed to combine the best elements of all of the shows, this is what it would look like:

Set I
Morning Dew - 2/28
That's It For The Other One - 3/1
Death Don't Have No Mercy - 3/2
Doin' That Rag - 2/27

Set II
Dupree's Diamond Blues - 3/1
Mountains of the Moon - 2/27
Dark Star - 2/27
St. Stephen - 2/27
The Eleven - 2/28
Turn On Your Lovelight - 2/28
Alligator - 2/28
Drums - 2/28
Jam - 3/2
Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) - 2/28
And We Bid You Goodnight - 3/2

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Poster: Jim F Date: Mar 1, 2009 9:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

Each show has something wonderful and special to offer. I think if I were to make a compilation of the best of each night, mine would probably look like this...


Morning Dew 2/28
King Bee 2/28
Cryptical>Other One>Cryptical> 3/1
NPC> 3/1
DTRag> 3/1 (maybe splice in 2/27's version instead)
Cosmic Charlie 3/1

Dupree's> 2/27
Mtns of the Moon> 2/27
Dark Star> 2/27
St. Stephen> 2/27
The Eleven> 2/28
Death Don't 2/28
Alligator>Caution, etc 2/28

Maybe throw in a Lovelight as a filler track...any of them would do...

I also personally really like the Dark Star from 2/28. If they had not performed the most perfect Dark Star ever played on 2/27, 2/28 would be my pick for a compilation.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Mar 1, 2009 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This Week in History -- 1969

I've been re-visiting them (yup, I have the box set, fortunately, inc. the Bonus disc)... and they are as good as '69 gets, IMO. The "Alligator" of 2/28 is MONUMENTAL, basically an entire disc of Alligator/Caution. Bliss! (although they repeat this suite again on the 2nd, I like the 28th better)

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